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Don of the Dial
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 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:38 pm Post subject: ADVENTURES OF THE BORING BASKETBALL RAPIST |
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AW, SWIFT!!!
J&K JUST WASTED THE FIRST HALF HOUR OF THEIR SHOW ON THE ABOVE ALLUDED TO THUG.
I REALLY CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS STUPID STORY ANY LONGER.
THIS STORY HAS ZERO IMPORTANCE TO ALL BUT A LIMITED CIRCLE OF PEOPLE. AND THAT AINT NONE OF US.
INTEREST IN THE STORY? YEAH, MAYBE FOR QUITE A FEW, BUT THAT AINT ME.
ASSOON AS I HEAR J&K START IN ON THIS STORY, I WILL SWITCH THE STATION FOR A HALF HOUR TO ANYTHING ELSE OR OFF.
ALREADY THE CRANK CALLERS WITH THEIR STUPID SPECULATIONS ARE CALLING IN.
F'N A- HERE THEY GO TO THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
CLICK. RADIO OFF.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Larry Elder is a good alternative when the J & K subject matter is lacking interest. |
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MagiCat
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm, that's one of the reasons I've been listening to them lately. Tons of people are interested in the topic, I know it's one of the things that gets talked about quite a bit in the circle of friends that I have (of course, a major part of them are also LA Kings season ticket holders and total sports nuts.)
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Cheryl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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I hate seeing a rape victim put on trial by a slimy defense attorney. She's a teenager, she was working, she wasn't a groupie.
The almighty basketball player is adored and given god like status, by the basketball fans. Why? Because he plays a game. So, ok, let's just destroy the girl, she deserves it.
edited to correct punctuation!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Figures...MagiCat...you NEED to be against the GRAIN here...Most of US are NOT interested. |
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Don of the Dial
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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I pre-set my car radio dial to KABC today.
I heard Larry Elder and he was talking about the basketboob dude, too.
He also did a bit of talking about the recall with some leftwing writer for Variety who went out of his way to defend the LATimes, where he ysed to work, but dismissed mist allegations that they did much of anything wrong and that talk radio was made up of 'rightwingers'.
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Cheryl
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I was listening to MSNBC, not sure who's show, but they caught my attn., they had Loretta Sanchez(add her to the ghoul pool), Larry Elder and Kim Serafin. I listened to Sanchez for a few minutes, she was doing a 180, saying it was the a vote "against" Gray Davis, not a vote for Schwarzenegger I really wanted to hear Larry and Kim Serafin, who Crimson clued me in about, I really like her, I started listening to her from 4-5, the hour before Jill Stewart, and, of course, I really like Larry. Unfortunately, I fell asleep during commercials 
I couldn't believe Sanchez though. Hey Gumby! With friends like that... |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Sanchez needs to be deported along with the rest of her illegal alien buddies from the Hermandad Nacional Givaway de Taxpayer Monee center.
Put her on the bus NOW. (ptuy!) |
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MagiCat
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Crimson wrote: |
| Figures...MagiCat...you NEED to be against the GRAIN here...Most of US are NOT interested. |
But John and Ken are interested and that's what matters, right? At least that's what I've been told
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| I hate seeing a rape victim put on trial by a slimy defense attorney. She's a teenager, she was working, she wasn't a groupie. |
Ahem, alleged rape victim. Kobe's accusing her of making up these charges for whatever reason. Is she on trial? You bet she is. She's going to tell her story, he's going to tell his story, the prosecution is going to put their spin on the evidence, the defense is going to put their spin on the evidence.
The problem is that these rape shield laws don't really work in the case where the guy is claiming consent. The defense attorney's question about whether the tearing was consistent with her having sex with 3 different guys in 3 nights. Since the prosecution brought up the evidence, the defense is obligated to their client to attempt to explain it away.
Basic premise about being a defense attorney, anything the attorney can do legally, he must do ethically as the advocate (the prosecuting attorneys have it easier in a sense because they can stick to doing what they feel is right without an ethical dilemma.)
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Cheryl
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Based on the evidence I've read, there's alot of evidence against Kobe Bryant, I believe he's guilty. I didn't believe the accusations at first, given his public persona, his background, but everything I've heard thus far is consistant with her story.
No matter the outcome of this trial, he's lost all endorsements, is no longer adored by the public(except the radical, uncaring basketball fans, and the groupies) he's going to be spending alot of time in court, and very possibly, jail, so, that may just affect his, GODFORBID!, game. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheryl wrote: |
Based on the evidence I've read, there's alot of evidence against Kobe Bryant, I believe he's guilty. I didn't believe the accusations at first, given his public persona, his background, but everything I've heard thus far is consistant with her story.
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I'm still at the I have no idea point. It's almost a case of the more evidence that the prosecution has, the less some are to believe it in the sense that it's tough to believing that Kobe would do something so stupid in a way where most people would believe her. The fact that she didn't go straight to the police makes it plausible that evidence was fabricated.
I'd picture the average case like this to where the guy thinks he's going to get away with it because it's he said/she said with no other evidence which is reasonable doubt in and of itself.
The one piece of evidence that is the most damning to me is the blood evidence, that one is more difficult to explain. What was her blood doing on the inside of Kobe's shirt is going to be a question that the defense is going to have to answer.
Here's a question, is it possible that he did rape her but she was worried that she wouldn't be believed so she made the story more believable (i.e. making him seem more psychotic than he was?) Parallel being a cop who plants drugs on someone they know is a drug dealer because they want to make an ironclad case?
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I am with Magicat on this one. (The "I have no idea" point.)
Newsweek had a prominent article about "Basketball Jones"  this week, and they quoted "knowledgeable sources" on both sides that seem to indicate that we don't know enough to decide either way.
The leaked story indicates that it may have been consensual to a point, then "Basketball Jones" either did or did not stop when asked. After that, he was at the mercy of a possible shakedown attempt.
Guess we'll find out more at the trial.
Disclaimer: I don't care a whit about basketball, football, or any other sport... Magicat, tell them my "football down" story you love so well...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| MrKABC wrote: |
| I Disclaimer: I don't care a whit about basketball, football, or any other sport... Magicat, tell them my "football down" story you love so well... |
But it's such a sad story!
Ok, you've twisted my arm. MrKABC and I were at Round Table eating some of the finest Pepperoni Pizza that ever existed (note: need to go to Round Table soon) and a college football game. The announcer said something about it being 4th down and they'd have to punt or something like that and MrKABC says in all innocence, "what's a down".
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Cheryl
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What exactly is a "down"? I finally did learn that yellow line I see them trying to cross isn't really on the field, it's just for TV!
I'm the resident sports fan!!!  |
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Don of the Dial
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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People who are into sports as an avocation always assume that the rest of the world knows all the sports jargon and terminlogy.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Don of the Dial wrote: |
| People who are into sports as an avocation always assume that the rest of the world knows all the sports jargon and terminlogy. |
Avocation? We just call ourselves sports fans!
As for sports jargon and terminology? We're not talking about the rule about taking a free kick after the punt returner calls a fair catch. We're not talking about explaining the exceptions to the high sticking rule in hockey. This is probably one the most fundamental elements of football.
First down, second down, third down, fourth down, are basically the most basic things you hear (in one game they had a fifth down, but that's because the refs couldn't count to four.)
Don, I know the difference between things that are generally considered common knowledge among pretty much everyone and things that are considered specific to fans of certain sports, and I'm going to gamble that a vast majority of people know this one.
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| I like baseball, and basketball. I used to watch both regularly. I just got tired of seeing the players demand astronomical salaries, especially baseball, an example: Kevin Brown, all those millions, and he says he played with a sore arm, from what? Carrying all his money. You can't watch a guy move up the ranks anymore, Rookies who stick with the team. You get used to a guy, he's gone. |
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Ummmmm out of all the televised sports, the only ONE that
I know well is Football.
Growing up (and even now) my family holds season tickets to the Washington Redskin games. Until I moved out here, I never missed going to a home game, nor seeing the "away" games on TV. It was a Sunday family event. Dinner time was planned around it, and by 1:00 PM,or 4...we were settled in front of the TV for Kickoff...
And no Redskin fan ever leaves the stadium until the last second of the game is played, win or lose...and you don't BOO your team, EVER. (it bothers me to hear Los Angeles sports announcers bad-mouth their teams)
Halftime was saved for running out to the store for more beer, or ice or moving the laundry from the washer to the dryer.
Out here......if I am lucky enough to even see a Redskin game...it's on at 10:00 and so different than watching back East.
So..............while I don't watch basketball, nor baseball nor golf,
I DO KNOW what a first DOWN, 2nd Down, 3rd Down, 4th Down and Touchdown are.
I know what first and ten, 2 yards to go means. I know what a playoff-game is, (and omg at the Dallas vs. Skins night playoff game in 72)
and pre-season and Super Bowl and Most Valuable Player, and a draft-pick, a rookie, a running back.
I also know what an Extra Point is, a punt, offsides, a quarterback sneak, a tight-end, and a Field Goal are. I know what Sudden-Death is.
Unfortunately, I can no longer name the players....but..I remember Sonny Jurgensen, ( number 9) Jerry Smith (87)....Charley Taylor, John Riggins, Art Monk, Curt Smith, Joe Theisman, ..hmmmmmmm let's see...George Allen and many more. The Over the Hill Gang, and the Hogs.
When it comes to the Skins...Crimson knows her stuff.
(Hail to the Redskins......fight for Old DC!)
 
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| This is probably one the most fundamental elements of football. *Additional text blue pencilled.*. |
Yes, but so what? Grasp the reality. There are millions of people who don't know or care about professional sports. amateur sports, nor any of the specifics or fundementals of any of it. it is simply not part of their world.
Why is it that the sports hound always thinks that everyone has some interest in thier interest. Lots of folks live lives that revolve other interests and disciplines that have nothing to do with sports and they are perfectly happy and frequently a bit sharper than the average sportshead.
Perhaps you and your cohorts travel in the same beer-soffen circles that dictates that every bar in America has to be a f'n 'sports bar', but many do not.
Professional sports is a totally and completely dispensible part of the existence of a great majority of the people on earth.
"Did you see the game last night?" Just how presumptiive a question is that to ask total strangers? It solidly assumes that we have the slightest idea of what they are talking about.....or care.
And lots of us don't.
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| Don of the Dial wrote: |
| MagiCat wrote: |
| This is probably one the most fundamental elements of football. *Additional text blue pencilled.*. |
And lots of us don't. |
And the rest of us laugh at you! j/k we laugh at you but not for that reason! j/k again but I'm on a roll
There are many things in society that pretty much everyone knows and I feel free to laugh at them if they don't know them. I also only laugh at them at places like Round Table Pizza where the depression at being laughed at can be cured by them having another slice of pepperoni pizza with extra sauce (trivia fact: MrKABC likes his pizza saturated in pizza sauce, I'm guessing he's rebelling from his youth when we had the Schoolhouse Rock stuff on TV and the one that said "Don't drown your food".
I wouldn't have laughed if MrKABC said he didn't know what a mark is in Aussie Rules Football or what a behind is in the same sport. These aren't things that I consider to be common knowledge in this country. There are things that are considered by a vast majority of people to be common knowledge.
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Cheryl
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Ok. MagiCat is a sports fan. Crimson knows football(hey, I'm impressed, I don't know much, well....I like the "tight-ends, probably not what you're talking about though" I know a little baseball & basketball, but don't really care. Don and Mr. Kabc aren't sports enthusiasts. Got it.
Anybody else want to chime in on sports knowledge? |
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Don of the Dial
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 11:50 am Post subject: |
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There are many things in society that pretty much everyone knows ...... |
You are wrong. No kidding. This is entirely *your* perception based upon the people that you choose to associate with. It's all based upon a LATimes type poll of ancecdotal evidence from sports fans. You *think* it is 'common knowledge' because it occupies such a big part of your world.
But that big part of your part of your world doesn't even exist in many other people's worlds.
That is the vain/glorious mentality of so many sports fanatics and they never find out differently because they never leave their liitle sports world.
There are millions of people in this country who never read the spirts pages and who turn off the news when the sports segment comes on and who shut off the radio when the guy begins to read the sports lists of who won or lost.
You can't deal with that becuase it is a rejection of the thing you value.
And we won't even discuss the homo-erotic tendencies of men who enjoy watcing other men sweating and groping and chasing each other around, only to finally get naked together and enjoy a hot sudsy shower where their dicks get really close to other men's asses.
Been checking out the Mempham High School football team story, jack? Those boys liked it deep...except for the ones that were raped by their team-mates.
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| Don of the Dial wrote: |
And we won't even discuss the homo-erotic tendencies of men who enjoy watcing other men sweating and groping and chasing each other around, only to finally get naked together and enjoy a hot sudsy shower where their dicks get really close to other men's asses.
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I guess I must have bisexual tendancies because I also have gone to a lot of Sparks games. The women play just as hard as the men (they play a style of roundball that I prefer over the NBA).
Or is it just possible that the vast majority guys who like sports just like sports. Hell, if it's true that you don't know what a down is either, then it would mean that the only two guys that I know who don't know are Republicans! Gonna have to write in to Rush to talk about the femininization of the Republican Party! I wonder if there's a way to get you kicked out of the Republican Party and put you in as a libertarian. GOD MAN, THIS IS FOOTBALL! AMERICAN FOOTBALL!!!! GO BRONCOS!!! WOOHOO!
Cheryl, the term in question is what a "down" is as in First down, second down, third down, fourth down. I had qualified it originally with MrKABC and said every guy knows what that is (then further saying most women).
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Needs registration which for one story doesn't make sense. But assuming that some football players raped some other football players . . . who cares (except maybe the "receiver", would he be a wide receiver afterwards")? Yes, it's a bad thing. Rape is bad. There, I said it, doesn't matter who does the raping and who is raped, it's bad.
Watching the Broncos/Steelers game right now, no raping going on. Don't have the desire to go out and rape someone because I'm watching it though I think my wife is getting turned on watching the players.
I do notice that you talk about homosexual acts a lot in your posts, is there a reason? Does this mean the same thing to people you know that it does to people I know?
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