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Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

The following is a portion of the article found at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95871,00.html

>MEChA has used violence in the past to make its case. At a July 4 celebration in 1996, members of the group, who call themselves Mechistas, were videotaped attacking black and white Americans protesting illegal immigration. In 1993, students at UCLA caused $500,000 worth of damage during protests to demand a Chicano studies department. MEChA has also been associated with anti-Semitic groups like Nation of Aztlan.

MEChA's motto is "for the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing." Critics say affiliation with that kind of group could spell political ruin for a white candidate and are upset that little attention has been paid to Bustamante's relationship with the group. He belonged to MEChA while attending Fresno State University in the 1970s.<

I watched channel 4 news last night, and was so SURPRISED, they presented the questions surrounding Bustamonte's proud ties to this racist organization like this:
"What some see as cultural pride, others view as racist affiliations" They then went on to slam Arnold Schwarzenegger. I KNOW, let me look at the Times, what are they saying?
OK! I looked..

Nope no article focusing on Cruz and Mecha I did find this mention as part of another article:

>"MEChA is a radical and racist organization," McClintock said, adding that membership is like saying "you're a member of the Klan."

Addressing reporters in Sacramento, Bustamante said the group was in the mainstream at Fresno State when he participated and that he joined a coalition slate in a failed run for student body president.

A Fresno State instructor from that era, Theresa Perez, said the group focused on farm workers' rights and other issues and that the idea of taking back parts of the United States once home to native Aztecs was a symbolic idea.

"I think the actuality of what takes place in those organizations is to provide student leadership," Bustamante said. "That's how I got here today, by getting involved."<

Look under Schwarzenegger though, there are too many negatives to mention here.

dvScotty · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:00 pm Post subject:

Cheryl, If you haven't already, go to KFI's website and listen to the Bill Handel audio clip on Bustamonte and La Meche.

http://www.kfi640.com/hosts/handel.html

It's about 19 minutes long, but worth it.

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Oh my! I'm listening now! This guy's association with this racist organization, and we have to remember, he won't disassociate himself from mecha, is scary as hell! The LATimes has not done anything on this, that is just scandalous.

Still listening....thank you for letting us know, I had missed it. You're right, it's well worth it! He just fired a listener, called him stupid, and told him to go listen to NPR, the guy calls and tells Handel that Bustamante is no worse than the 9/11 terrorists

Hey! This is the first time I've downloaded one of the longer audios using DSL, OH MY GOD!!! It took moments, now I know what I'm paying for Cool

Crimson · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 10:04 pm Post subject:

LOL Cheryl...yes, think how long the Handel roast took! Glad that you are enjoying your dsl

And if you want...I can send you some really fun sites to go to download things

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Yes, please send them, it's so easy now. The amount of time it took to download the roast? unbelievable

MagiCat · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 10:42 pm Post subject:

Toughest part is trying to figure out what they stand for by looking at webpages of their organization since they're all in Spanish

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Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

MagiCat,

I saw them in English: http://www.panam.edu/orgs/mecha/nat.html#2

MagiCat · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:31 pm Post subject:

MrKABC · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:14 am Post subject:

Here is the MECHA flag for California:

They want to incorporate "Alta California" into the new nation of Aztlan.

MagiCat · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 9:07 am Post subject:

Crimson · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:28 am Post subject:

My friend in Canada (and God knows they know all about Separatism in Quebec) sent me this lovely site:

http://www.mmedia.is/%7Ecyclone/

I particularly "enjoyed" the Los Angeles County Racial Majorities "map"
showing demographics from 1940 thru 2000.

Bangs Head Against Wall

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Oh my god Anne, it's even worse than I thought, looks like an invasion to me. Anybody voting for Bustamante favors illegal immigration, he likes it, and encourages it.

Stele · Nutball Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 97

Hi, reviving an old Mecha thread.

I was reading around and found out that Mecha claims that their motto is not "Por La Raza Todo, Fuera de La Raza Nada!" ("For the Race Everything, Outside the Race Nothing"), but that it is actually "La Union Hace La Fuerza." ("The Union Makes The Force.") Where did this come up? If it's so did they change it or something?

I found this at http://pub12.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefrm21.showMessage?topicID=38.topic

Also, in this post, they claim that El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan is not part of their formal constitution but at this Mecha link http://www.panam.edu/orgs/mecha/nat.html#2 they say "The following documents are essential to the philosophy of MEChA. Every MEChista should be familiar with them." Did I miss something? =P

I read this article http://groups.yahoo.com/group/starcgrassroots/message/6512
which says that Mecha is being distorted and not being portrayed in a truthful manner, and that it's a right winged plot to denounce any politicians, BustaMecha, who were involved with it.

But take a look at this, "In the struggle for self-determination of our people and the liberaiton of Aztlan, we do herby establish...M.E.Ch.A. Central de San Diego." Doesnt this sound like a radical statement? "liberation of Aztlan." Like they're upset that the gringos took it and will do whatever it takes to get it back. I read articles saying that Mecha isn't so bad but I go to one of their chapter sites and they say things such as "liberation of Aztlan" from America! Did they even visit these sites?

BTW, the motto "La Union Hace La Fuerza." ("The Union Makes The Force.") can be seen on their banner with the Eagle holding dynamite.

I guess my big question is where did the motto "For the Race Everything, Outside the Race Nothing" come from if they claim that this is a myth?

I know John and Ken have mentioned this motto but what have they said about it when Mecha said that it wasn't their motto?

PS: Sorry I posted all those links, just found a lot of stuff.

MagiCat · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject:

Crimson · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:55 pm Post subject:

you're voting for that crook who "spent" all the indian money in a hurry...since a judge ordered him to return it?

MagiCat · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:01 pm Post subject:

Crimson · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:31 pm Post subject:

heh...yeah ok...when you live in Mexico, maybe....which is virtually where you will be living if davis or bustamecha stays in office

MagiCat · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 7:40 am Post subject:

Crimson · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:20 am Post subject:

Have YOU realized yet what Davis has signed lately? He's sent aninvitation for more illegals to come on in.

He may not control immigration policy, but he's certainly doing NOTHING to hinder the throngs.

It's the STATE offering free tuition, matricular cards, drivers licenses to illegals.

Davis and Bustamonte won't even breathe the word "illegal."

Arnold will and has.

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

You know your socialist agendas are driving me up a wall.

Bustamecha is a damn racist "For the race everything, outside the race nothing" who illegally uses campaign contributions, defies a judges order, and will be lucky if he stays out of jail. His poll numbers are indicative of the way reasonable California voters think. He's sinking very fast, because he's worse than the other idiot you guys gave us over the last 5 years. People in California are getting a little wiser. Sick of the obvious pandering to special interests and pay-offs that Davis & Bustamecha have become famous for.

As for illegal aliens, you love them. They keep your guys in business, Bustamante is inviting them over, they are his constituency, he welcomes them, and gives them another reward, a driver's license, at the risk of national security.

When we have a governor who does not welcome the illegal alien crowd, a Republican, he'll make noise, get the attention of the feds, stop the constant INVITED flow of illegals from entering this country. Hell, your guy won't even allow background checks of the finger prints on driver's licenses. This country is for AMERICAN CITIZENS. If you would prefer a country that is governed by corrupt officials, who thrive on bribes and pay-offs, and encourage their own citizens to go to the neighboring country to earn a living, then YOU should move to Mexico. If you are concerned with the lack of federal intervention, why haven't YOU encouraged YOUR elected officials to do something, to stop adding incintives for illegals to enter our state, to stop tying the hands of border patrols, that was done by YOUR side. Where is the public request for border reinforcements. I don't blame the feds for not sending $$$, which is what you guys want, because your team would just use it to make the illegals even more comfortable, at the expense of the tax payer of course.

You never give solid reasons for your opposing views. You oppose literally everything that is non-liberal, hell, you sound more liberal than most democrats I know. Usually there are at least a few things one can find fault with, when analyzing their own party's performance. Not you, it's all anti-Republican, all the time.

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Crimson · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 2:14 pm Post subject:

Cheryl.

(but waits to hear about the price of lettuce and how much we NEED illegals to do the jobs no one else wants.....)

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

I think John answered that one best. He asked "What? Do you think if there are no illegal aliens, our fruit won't be picked? It'll just rot on the vine? Our lawns won't get mowed? no gardening?" Good point!

If we didn't have the illegals, the wages would have to increase to attract labor, and it would benefit our own citizens.

Crimson · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 2:39 pm Post subject:

Yep.

( I meant that I was waiting to hear from our resident Dem)

Don of the Dial · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 3:38 pm Post subject: this is not the bronze age

AND....As I have said for many years, without the cheap labor available and willing to work in the fields, someone would have invented machinary to do the work that the field workers do.
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Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Hey! That's true, I never thought about that. I'm not a mechanical person, but yes, of course, why else has there been no technological advancement Even if you've got an engineering guru who has a workable prototype, I'm sure the farm worker's union would block the patent, can't have their illegals out of work.

What's next an illegal alien strike?