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Cheryl
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 Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:14 am Post subject: Media Bias, Political discussions, and Commentary |
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I've always wanted a "Media Bias" thread. I was going to make it a "sticky topic", but, I read the FAQ? section, it does say, because the post will stay on the front page, on top of the board, right under any announcments, it should be reserved for "very important posts" well, it is very important to me, but I'm not sure if it's very important to anyone else, so I'll just keep adding to it every once in awhile(I'll have no problem finding examples of media bias)
I want to see if we can reach 100 examples of bias, either liberal or conservative biases. I know  I'll start!!!!
1) The LA Times(you'll see their name often here) The coverage of Arnold Schwarzenegger's father's past, and his womanizing from the 70s has been extensive. Compare the coverage of Cruz Bustamante's membership in MechA, a racist organization, that is not only part of his past, but he presently refuses to disassociate himself from the organization, coverage of this more pertinant information is all but non-existant.
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MrKABC
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Mainstream media is leftward biased. Almost nobody disputes this.
A favorite anecdote of mine: During the 2000 election night coverage, Tom Brokaw was detailing the states that Al Gore needed to win to get the electoral votes he needed. During his explanation, Pennsylvania was awarded to Gore. Brokaw announced it, then went on to list the "remaining states we need to win" - in the first person, as if he were championing Gore.
Freudian slip???
Leter on, Brokaw denied being a "spokesman for liberal causes" in a letter to the editor of the New York Times.
A favorite website of mine: http://www.ratherbiased.com - a website that illustrates Dan Rather's liberal bias. It's a fun read.
How about CNN? Not-so-affectionately known as the "Clinton News Network."
Also, the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times are bastions of liberal (and Democratic) reporting. I challenge anyone to find ANY pieces in either paper critical of Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi. Now, try to find an article about G.W. Bush. I guarantee NONE of the articles you will find will illustrate him in ANY positive light.
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Cheryl
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The televised news media is one of the worst.
Apparently Walter Cronkite agrees:
>Walter Cronkite | Liberalism in media
I hope we all get along as we go along. I expect that occasionally we'll have some differences of opinion. I expect to be provocative.
After more than 60 years as a journalist, I have some ideas about the state of our nation, of our world, of our culture, and I wouldn't be true to the purpose of a column if I didn't vent them here.
My hope is that you will find my commentary interesting, informative, perhaps occasionally amusing (deliberately, that is) and, at all times, fair and as unbiased as it is possible for opinion to be.
You are going to disagree with me from time to time; I'll be disappointed if you don't. That fulfills the provocative requirement of a column like this.
When the nation was deeply divided over the Vietnam War, we at CBS got a lot of mail complaining about our coverage. I was disturbed until we found out that the number of letters condemning us as being government lackeys in support of the war almost precisely balanced those condemning us as being sympathetic to the war protesters. I relaxed with the simple philosophy that if you are being shot at from both sides, you must be in the middle.
Let's face this one down right now: I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I'm a registered independent because I find that I cast my votes not on the basis of party loyalty but on the issues of the moment and my assessment of the candidates. Basically, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, but those who rabidly support those positions will be more often disappointed in my views than otherwise.
I believe that most of us reporters are liberal, but not because we consciously have chosen that particular color in the political spectrum.
More likely it is because most of us served our journalistic apprenticeships as reporters covering the seamier side of our cities -- the crimes, the tenement fires, the homeless and the hungry, the underclothed and undereducated.
We reached our intellectual adulthood with daily close-ups of the inequality in a nation that was founded on the commitment to equality for all. So we tend to side with the powerless rather than the powerful.
If that is what makes us liberals, so be it, just as long as in reporting the news we adhere to the first ideals of good journalism -- that news reports must be fair, accurate and unbiased.
That clearly doesn't apply when one deserts the front page for the editorial page and the columns to which opinion should be isolated.
The perceived liberalism of television reporters, I am convinced, is a product of the limited time given for any particular item. The reporter desperately tries to get all the important facts and essential viewpoints into his or her piece but, against a fast-approaching deadline, he or she must summarize in a sentence the complicated story.
That is where the slippage occurs and the summary too frequently, without intention, seems to emphasize one side or the other.
The answer to that problem, as with much else in television news, is in more time for the dominant evening newscasts.
In our ever-more complicated and confusing world, those newscasts need an hour.
Incidentally, I looked up the definition of "liberal" in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for "liberal" as "progressive," "broad-minded," "unprejudiced," "beneficent."
The antonyms it offered: "reactionary" and "intolerant."
I've always suspected those fine folks at Random House of being liberals. You just can't trust anybody these days.
As a side note, I wonder if he knew what he was saying by this: a nation that was founded on the commitment to equality for all. That is not what our nation was founded on. It's supposed to be equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. Socialism? actually, communism, is what Cronkite is talking about there. Only under communism is everyone forced to be "equal".
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/dailytimes/2003/08/15/news/opinion/6530182.htm |
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Crimson
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I watched that bill signing on tv live today (with the sound muted) and listening to John and Ken.
It was disheartening....felt like Davis had literally signed the state away. All of them smiling, Davis speaking Spanish, and throngs of people, many from Unions with signs saying No Recall.
Hearing those lame excuses, now they will be able to drive their kids to school, and take care care of the seniors. WTF.
And as a caller pointed out...now they can drive TRUCKS, big ones...deliver a load of guns that they've bought using their new California Dr License, and bring back up a load of new illegals, so they can get their licenses too. And they can come and go across the border, just showing the license.
Again...it's more about National Security, but Davis et al doesn't care. 
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Crimson
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Oh, and our friend Hackie Goldberg was standing right there too...smiling away. 
I only hope that the Feds can somehow come back and slap Davis for doing something like this, jeopardizing our Country's borders. |
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MrKABC
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Question: If AH-NULT wins, can he rescind this travesty? |
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MagiCat
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| MrKABC wrote: |
| Question: If AH-NULT wins, can he rescind this travesty? |
Nope, the law is enacted. The only way to recind it would be for the legislature to pass another law basically reversing it (but this is the same legislature that gave majority votes to this in both houses).
But since Ahnold would be the governor, he would head the agencies that work to implement it so he could end up impeding the implemtation of the law. Not sure exactly how much he could do to stop it from being implemented though.
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Wardell Whitley
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You wish?
Much can happen between now and January.
The shame of the nation was on our TV screens this afternoon giving away America to riff raff and thugs and the ultra corrupt.
Lying Latinos and their gringo flunkey-boy, Davis.
Burrito pigs like Torres, Bustamante, Lopez and the rest, plus for some real manteca, fat Jackie Goldberg sweating in the sun with her grease running down her bloated body.
The peasants in the crowd who applauded like it was another one of their Virgin Mary in a cookie sightings. And they counted for nothing. Less than 1000 down to a few hundred. There was no free food, so why would they stay?
Now the story grows and few but the traitors among us will tolerate this Fifth Column of armed invaders who wish to colonize our country. People know more each day and the words 'treason' and 'traitor' are beginning to be uttered in passing and soon will be shouted in anger.
A new America and a new California are about to be born and it
will not be one of the sombrero and the blanket! It will not be one of the clown house filled with 20 souls per room.
Why?
BECAUSE IT IS TIME FOR THE REVOLUTION...IN MEXICO!!!
LET THEIR COUNTRY EXPLODE IN A WAVE OF VIOLENCE AND PURIFYING FIRE!
LET THE MEXICAN PEOPLE TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN DESTINIES.
NO LONGER WILL THIS COUNTRY BE THE SAFETY VALVE FOR THE ILLS OF THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.
IF THEY COME FOR GUNS AND RIFLES, WILL THEY NOT TAKE THEM BACK WITH THEM?
YES!! YES!!
CLOSE THE BORDER AND PROTECT YOURSELVES, CITIZENS!!
LET MEXICO ERUPT WITH A SCORCHING LAVA THAT WILL CLEANSE THEIR LAND!
AND THEN LET THEM TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BETRAYED THEM.
DEPORT ALL MECHA MEMBERS!!! NOW!!! |
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Burrito pigs. I like that one! |
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MagiCat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Some angry racist who I should know better than to answer wrote: |
You wish?
Much can happen between now and January.
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Yep, lots of things. Bustamante could win the governorship which seems more and more likely every day. Ahnold is becoming less and less palatable to women everywhere with stuff coming out about him every day such as gang bangs in gyms and him groping women in public.
One thing I find extremely interesting is that people will accept your racial intolerance here without challenging you on it because they also agree with your stances on issues. Still trying to figure out whether this is due to racism on their parts or because they don't know how to reconcile that someone who holds similar positions on items they find is so extremely vile and bitter.
A third possible reason is that you're just so extremely pathetic that noone takes you seriously at all.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Naaaahhh.. I'm going to be sexist now....
As soon as AH-NULT flashes his pecs, the women will run to the polls!
He has nothing to worry about. Crud Bust-da-state-da will go down in flames... Or beans and tortillas...  |
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Wardell Whitley
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Yes, the PinkDot crowd with the occaisional 'man' suffering from vagina envy....or simply whipped! Hahaha....THEY MEAN NOTHING!!!! A FRINGE GROUP TO BE LAUGHED AT, WHICH IS THEIR FULL WORTH!!!
AND WHILE SOME KEEP THINKING AND PONDERING MINUTAE AND TRIVIA, THOSE WITH MORE VISION AND MORE INSIGHT AND MORE COURAGE WILL ACT!!! THEIR ACTIONS WILL COME LIKE LIGHTENING IN THE NIGHT!!! AND THE STRONG SUNLIGHT OF DAY WILL EXPOSE THE DECEIVERS OF THE WHITE AND BROWN PEOPLES!!!
Anyone worried about 'gang bangs' will soon live in fear from maurading gangs of RECREATIONAL RAPISTS that will flock to this country to RAPE AND MURDER AMERICAN WOMEN OF ALL RACES!!! ILLEGALS SHALL COME AND RAPE GIRLS AND WOMEN, THEN LEAVE WITH THEIR FALSE IDENTITIES TO RETURN ONCE AGAIN TO RAPE AND KILL AGAIN!!
HEED MY WORDS!!
THIS IS NO TIME FOR THE WORDS OR THOUGHTS OF COWARDS!!!
STRONG LEADRSHIP IS THE NEED OF THE DAY.
WHO IS PREPARED TO FOLLOW THAT LEADER?!?!? |
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Cheryl
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| MagiCat wrote: |
| Some angry racist who I should know better than to answer wrote: |
You wish?
Much can happen between now and January.
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Yep, lots of things. Bustamante could win the governorship which seems more and more likely every day. Ahnold is becoming less and less palatable to women everywhere with stuff coming out about him every day such as gang bangs in gyms and him groping women in public.
One thing I find extremely interesting is that people will accept your racial intolerance here without challenging you on it because they also agree with your stances on issues. Still trying to figure out whether this is due to racism on their parts or because they don't know how to reconcile that someone who holds similar positions on items they find is so extremely vile and bitter.
A third possible reason is that you're just so extremely pathetic that noone takes you seriously at all. |
Cruz Bustamante belongs to a racist organization and you have excused and dismissed that. What if I wrote of white people: For the race everything, outside the race nothing" dem/libs would call this racism in it's purest form. This same Mecha organization, of which Bustamante is proud member, claims their purpose is to reclaim the entire southwest U.S., and return it to Mexico, that sounds traiterous to me.
Of course, being white, I'm supposed to shut up and not complain, when I see my tax dollars spent on an influx of illegal aliens invading this state, bringing security risks to this county, during a war on terrorism.
>Yep, lots of things. Bustamante could win the governorship which seems more and more likely every day. Ahnold is becoming less and less palatable to women everywhere with stuff coming out about him every day such as gang bangs in gyms and him groping women in public. <
I think you're wrong, I think Bustamante will lose, I don't think Californians will be that stupid, a man who has a history of promoting seperatism and belonging to a racist group.
I don't care about Arnold's womanizing in the 70s. I care about saving our state from these 2 shamless, self serving democrats, who are selling our state to the highest bidders, and leaving us vulnerable to terrorists.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is an immigrant too. Of course he immigrated legally, respecting our laws. Why do liberal democrats have such an anger and hatred for any member of the republican party? As usual, the democrats are running a mean spirited, hate filled campaign. It makes me sick. The only smile you get from the hate filled demos is an egg thrown at Schwarzenegger, who handled the incident with dignity. Why is the egg such a big deal? It was a supid, pathetic little juvenile act that was enough to make the liberals happy.
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MagiCat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| Cheryl wrote: |
| A bunch of stuff which attacked my post but said pretty much absolutely nothing about it. |
Actually, my post didn't even really say anything about Bustamante. It was a current analysis of the recall election based on my perceptions.
Here's a question for you, if I ask you a question, do you honestly think that the answer that you give would also be a decent gauge of how the average woman thinks? I think that I can safely say that although your opinions are valid for you, using your opinions to attempt to show that women think differently than I think they do is extremely misleading.
Yeah, you don't really give a damn about what Ahnold did in the 70s, but most women I do know actually do care and most care enough to where it will could affect their votes.
How is it going to affect the ones who really care? The ones who were for Bustamante are going to be unaffected. The ones who were going to be for Ahnold are now more likely to support McClintock or Uberoth. My analysis is that the the more that comes out about him, the more that it hurts his chances of winning and helps Bustamante, not by driving support to Bustamante, but by splitting the votes of the people not voiting for Bustamante.
The reality of the situation is that the recall election is too close to call at this point, swings of a couple of points either way may mean this election.
As for all the MEChA thing. I'm not really going to bother discussing the organization itself anymore and its structure because it's really irrelevant at this point (since it isn't going to have an impact on his election.) From what I'm seeing, the people who it matters to wouldn't vote for him anyway and the people who are likely voters for him don't see the organization in the same way that you do. As far as I can see, it's a non-issue as far as this election goes.
But the main crux of my post is that there are posters of obviously conservative persausion who are spouting blatently racist garbage. My question was why doesn't anyone call anyone else besides me call him on it? (yes, I know you feel Bustamante's a racist, I disagree, we've hashed that one out as far as possible, my question is that when there's obviously an extreme racist who supports your views do you not call him out on the carpet for the views that you disagree with (I'm making assumptions here obviously, mainly that people do disagree with those extremely racist views.)
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MagiCat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the PinkDot crowd with the occaisional 'man' suffering from vagina envy....or simply whipped! Hahaha....THEY MEAN NOTHING!!!! A FRINGE GROUP TO BE LAUGHED AT, WHICH IS THEIR FULL WORTH!!!
AND WHILE SOME KEEP THINKING AND PONDERING MINUTAE AND TRIVIA, THOSE WITH MORE VISION AND MORE INSIGHT AND MORE COURAGE WILL ACT!!! THEIR ACTIONS WILL COME LIKE LIGHTENING IN THE NIGHT!!! AND THE STRONG SUNLIGHT OF DAY WILL EXPOSE THE DECEIVERS OF THE WHITE AND BROWN PEOPLES!!!
Anyone worried about 'gang bangs' will soon live in fear from maurading gangs of RECREATIONAL RAPISTS that will flock to this country to RAPE AND MURDER AMERICAN WOMEN OF ALL RACES!!! ILLEGALS SHALL COME AND RAPE GIRLS AND WOMEN, THEN LEAVE WITH THEIR FALSE IDENTITIES TO RETURN ONCE AGAIN TO RAPE AND KILL AGAIN!!
HEED MY WORDS!!
THIS IS NO TIME FOR THE WORDS OR THOUGHTS OF COWARDS!!!
STRONG LEADRSHIP IS THE NEED OF THE DAY.
WHO IS PREPARED TO FOLLOW THAT LEADER?!?!? |
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Crimson
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I don't know of, nor have I heard any women whining about Arnie's womanizing.
Personally, I don't care what he did in the 70's. He was single and again it was the 70's ! For those of us who WEREN'T toddlers then, think back....lol
Bustamonte, Cedillo, Peter (aka Nativo) Lopez all act like they aren't even Americans. They make no secret of wanting California to be part of Mexico, and they've bought a wimpy tofu-eating little man who vetoed a bill TWICE before, but now that he's trying to get more Stop the Recall votes, will sign away all of us...
And I don't consider being wary of drivers licenses to people that don't belong here... RACIST.
They're is something wrong with having laws that aren't enforced. Terrorists are probably laughing and mocking California all over the world, as they plot and plan their next attacks. And how easy it will be now to get a new license and mingle among us taking our services and $$$$$ greedily biding time until the next big "martyr" party.
It's absurd. Why bother even having borders, laws and CITIZENS?
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Crimson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Hi Cheryl,
Re: the egg thing
I like the way Arnie responded to that childish behavior. |
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MagiCat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:28 am Post subject: |
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And I don't consider being wary of drivers licenses to people that don't belong here... RACIST.
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And the strawman takes another hit!!!! That strawman is getting his ass kicked!!!
I didn't say that being wary of drivers licenses going to people that don't belong here is racist. I was labeling the posts of "Wardell Whitley" as racist. You see, unlike many people, I can differentiate between others having a valid position on an issue (both sides of the drivers license have reasonable points as far as I'm concerned) and those who have racial views beyond those that I'm willing to accept as valid.
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Cheryl
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Here's a question for you, if I ask you a question, do you honestly think that the answer that you give would also be a decent gauge of how the average woman thinks?
Yeah, you don't really give a damn about what Ahnold did in the 70s, but most women I do know actually do care and most care enough to where it will could affect their votes.
How is it going to affect the ones who really care? The ones who were for Bustamante are going to be unaffected. The ones who were going to be for Ahnold are now more likely to support McClintock or Uberoth. My analysis is that the the more that comes out about him, the more that it hurts his chances of winning and helps Bustamante, not by driving support to Bustamante, but by splitting the votes of the people not voiting for Bustamante.
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It's an accurate gauge of how I feel. I know other women who feel the same way I do. I also work with die hard democrats, most of whom will vote no on the recall(U.T.L.A. is a generous supporter of Davis!) however, these same teachers are NOT supporting Bustamante, I've talked to some who will vote for Schwarzenegger, others will vote for Ueberoth, but that is very telling, when teachers, that I've worked with for years, will cast their vote for a republican, before they'll back Bustamante.
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| As for all the MEChA thing. I'm not really going to bother discussing the organization itself anymore and its structure because it's really irrelevant at this point (since it isn't going to have an impact on his election.) From what I'm seeing, the people who it matters to wouldn't vote for him anyway and the people who are likely voters for him don't see the organization in the same way that you do. As far as I can see, it's a non-issue as far as this election goes. |
As I noted above, apparently it is going to have some effect, to what degree, I don't know. I do know that this man has a history of belonging to a radical group, who's goal is to "recapture the Southwest United States, and have the following on their CURRENT webpages: "For the race everything, outside the race, nothing" to say they don't really believe that, it's just part of Mecha history, is unacceptable. They also state that new members agree to Mecha's philisophies and goals, they then proceed to outline them, and "El Plan de Azatlan" is mentioned in this plan. You may not want to hear it, but by god, it is RELEVANT. Beyond his Mecha membership, Bustamante has a history of promoting spanish speaking only for the children of immigrants, it's not that he values his native language, it's that he DOESN'T value THIS country's, remember, this is The United States of America, he doesn't want children of Mexican to learn English:
The following is an excerpt from:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110003960
>>Chief among them is the lieutenant governor's support for the failed policy of bilingual education, which has done great damage to aspiring immigrant children. Here Mr. Bustamante has gone beyond merely disagreeing over the best public policy course. In February he lent considerable support to Nativo Lopez, a controversial Santa Ana school board member who was facing a recall. Mr. Lopez is known as the Al Sharpton of Southern California for his ethnic demagogy. He'd drawn the ire of his constituents, many of whom are Hispanic, for failing to improve local schools, but mostly for pressuring parents to demand bilingual education for their children.
In 1998, 61% of Californians voted for Proposition 227, which mandated that English be the primary language taught in public schools. (School districts that have followed Proposition 227's mandate have seen test scores rise for immigrant children.) But Mr. Lopez was hoping to pressure enough parents into defying the referendum so as to render it unenforceable in Santa Ana.<<
Mr. Bustamante campaigned for Mr. Lopez even though the entire Santa Ana City Council, which has a Latino majority, supported his recall. Beatriz Salas, who immigrated from Mexico 20 years ago, says she was appalled when she and other parents attended a meeting with Mr. Lopez in 1999, where he admitted that his goal was to make Spanish the primary language in California.
Earlier this year, Ms. Salas met Mr. Bustamante and asked him why he had supported Mr. Lopez. "He said it had to do with his anger at Ron Unz, the sponsor of Proposition 227," she told me. "He said that because Unz was all for English instruction he was all for Spanish instruction, and I guess that included Nativo Lopez. I was very disappointed in his answer."
Vivian Martinez, who led the group of parents opposed to Mr. Lopez, says that Mr. Bustamante personally called residents and later urged voters to reject the recall in a recorded phone message. In the end, the people of Santa Ana ignored the Latino power structure. Mr. Lopez was recalled by a resounding 71% vote. He lost every precinct in a city where almost three-fourths of the residents speak Spanish at home.
The parents I spoke with couldn't help but note the irony of Mr. Bustamante going against Hispanic parents who want their children to learn English. A profile in the Orange County Register pointed out that Mr. Bustamante's parents "would not speak Spanish in his household when he was young" so that he could learn English. Mr. Bustamante has accomplished a lot, including becoming the first statewide Latino officeholder in over 100 years. "But since 45% of Latino kids don't graduate from high school, one wonders where he would be today if his father hadn't insisted on an English-only approach," says Ms. Montelongo. "Why is he opposing parents who have their own idea on how best their children can succeed?"
No major candidate for governor of California in this election is anti-immigrant. But having raised the bloody shirt of anti-immigration, Cruz Bustamante should be forced to explain his support for Nativo Lopez, who was repudiated by the very people he claims to represent.<<
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| But the main crux of my post is that there are posters of obviously conservative persausion who are spouting blatently racist garbage. My question was why doesn't anyone call anyone else besides me call him on it? (yes, I know you feel Bustamante's a racist, I disagree, we've hashed that one out as far as possible, my question is that when there's obviously an extreme racist who supports your views do you not call him out on the carpet for the views that you disagree with (I'm making assumptions here obviously, mainly that people do disagree with those extremely racist views.) |
If you're referring to the "burrito pig" comment, I think it does sound racially insensative, but, it doesn't hurt anyone, this is one person's reference toward 2 politicians who are seperatists. Bustamante and Torres do represent a real threat to our state's unity, they campaign for the children of immigrants to be only spanish speakers. Why? because they don't want these children to assimilate, that would lessen their role, it is to their personal benefit to keep these immigrants down, to keep them seperate, to continue the funneling of tax dollars into special interest legislature and policies. Spanish only education, spanish only media, spanish only graduations, the list is endless.
I should jump on every utterance that is racially insensative? I love the latino people, I work with parents and children and communtiy members who are all latino. My concern is legislation and politicians like Bustamante, one who's racist views are much more dangerous, who preach seperatism, is there anything wrong with wanting UNITY, PATRIOTISM(toward the U.S.) Democrats use the illegal immigration issue to promote untrue charges of racism against republicans. People are getting angry, to totally diss our immigration laws, boycott our language, take away citizenship benefits, give services and benefits to illegal aliens, then take an attitude of defiance and entitlement, and we should shut up, apologize for past injustices, and give all the privledges of living here, it's infuriating, it occasionally spills over into a racially insensative remark. Oh, but Bustamante's history with Mecha, and his 227 fight, now that's ok, he really didn't support the Mecha thing, and 227? the heat of the battle, but don't you dare call him a "burrito king"!!! He calls latino supporters of the recall "brown shirts" publically, you had no problem with that, did you?
There seems to be no problem among dem/libs when it comes to insulting Schwarzenegger's accent and family history, then all bets are off, like President Bush, he'sto all the ridicule and insensativity you can muster.
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Crimson
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| If you guys are going to be posting these nice long posts...I'm going to have to pour more coffee so I don't miss anything |
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Cheryl
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Mine's pretty lengthy, but, there is an article excerpt in there!
I'm watching coverage of Davis/Bustamante's signing of a bill, that endangers us all. The same bill they opposed last time. They sold out to curry hispanic votes.
What a couple of low life thugs! |
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Crimson
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Oh Cheryl...watching it live yesterday with John and Ken's commentary was really something.
And speaking in Spanish, with all of those assembly people like Jackie Goldberg smiling and everyone acting like this something to be happy about really disturbed me.
Seeing "Stop the re-call" signs and waving of foreign flags made it look like already a foreign country.
I loved Wardell's description of it......and as I think I said yesterday, my only joy was laughing at all of them wiping sweat in that hot sun.
I truly resent the secretive way that event was planned. |
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MagiCat
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| Cheryl wrote: |
| If you're referring to the "burrito pig" comment, I think it does sound racially insensative, but, it doesn't hurt anyone, this is one person's reference toward 2 politicians who are seperatists. Bustamante and Torres do represent a real threat to our state's unity, they campaign for the children of immigrants to be only spanish speakers. Why? because they don't want these children to assimilate, that would lessen their role, it is to their personal benefit to keep these immigrants down, to keep them seperate, to continue the funneling of tax dollars into special interest legislature and policies. Spanish only education, spanish only media, spanish only graduations, the list is endless. |
Maybe you should read the wit and wisdom of Wardell Whitley again. There was a lot more than burrito pig.
I tend to distinguish two separate types of people in matters like this. Those who laugh at otherwise normal people who may tell a racially insensitive joke and those who accept and don't stand up to those who are complete racists.
I had you personally believed that you were in the former category, was I wrong and you are in the latter?
Remember, there are racists who hold similar views that I hold, the difference is if they start spouting racist rhetoric, I will shout them down if it's done in a forum that I'm participating, if only to tell everyone who's listening that I differ with that person in this way.
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THE DAY HAS LONG PAST FOR THOSE OF US TO EVEN PRETEND TO LISTEN THE THE FACTIONAL FACISTS WHO HIDE UNDER THE BANNER OF LIBERALISM, YET INSIST THEAT WE LIVE AS THEY LIVE AND THINK AS THE THINK AND ARE FULL OF SELF PRIDE AT THEIR 'ABILITY' TO DISTINGUISH ONE TYPE OF PERSON FOR ANOTHER AND STILL BRAND OTHERS AS RACISTS. YOU HAVE NO MEANING IN THIS NEW WORLD. SAY WHAT YOU WANT, FOR NO ONE CARES.
THE CEASELESS AND NOW LEGAL ONSLAUGHT OF ILLEGAL ALIENS WOULD BE ALMOST AS ONOROUS WERE IT FRENCH OR CANADIAN OR POLISH NATIONALS.
ALL BREAK-INS ARE REVILED!!! ALL ILLEGALS MUST BE TREATED AS DEFILERS OF YOUR OWN HOME, AS WELL AS YOUR STATE AND COUNTRY!!! THOSE WHO CANNOT SEE THIS CLEAR AND NOE MAGNIFIED FACT AND WHO AID THE USURPERS OF OUR HOMELAND DESERVE NO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAN ANY OF THE ILLEGALS!!!!
OUR GLORIOUS NATION AND OUR ONCE BEAUTIFUL STATE STAND ON THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION!!! THERE ARE ENEMIES WITHIN AND BEYOND OUR BORDERS!!!
DO NOT SPARE THE RIGHTEOUS WRATH OF THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM ON ANY OF THOSE WHO SEEK TO DESTROY IT!!!
NO LONGER!!
NO LONGER!!
NO LONGER!! |
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MagiCat
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| Wardell Whitley wrote: |
THE DAY HAS LONG PAST FOR THOSE OF US TO EVEN PRETEND TO LISTEN THE THE FACTIONAL FACISTS WHO HIDE UNDER THE BANNER OF LIBERALISM, YET INSIST THEAT WE LIVE AS THEY LIVE AND THINK AS THE THINK AND ARE FULL OF SELF PRIDE AT THEIR 'ABILITY' TO DISTINGUISH ONE TYPE OF PERSON FOR ANOTHER AND STILL BRAND OTHERS AS RACISTS. YOU HAVE NO MEANING IN THIS NEW WORLD. SAY WHAT YOU WANT, FOR NO ONE CARES.
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Yep, some of us don't lump all conservatives into one basket. We actually think that there is a difference between those that we disagree with and those whose views are beyond redemption. I know you like to think you're like the other people on this board, but I doubt it, they're not actual racists like you are, they just happen to not be inclined to shout you down.
Just wanted to give you a basic description of the computer keyboard. Most civilized people type in what is called mixed case typing. This means using upper case letters to start sentences, proper nouns, initials, and for ADDING EMPHASIS to a sentence. The above shows a standard keyboard. The way to accomplish this is to press the CAPS LOCK key on your keyboard. This should make a light on your keyboard go off. Now, if you need to type a captial letter (this is where it gets complicated), you have 2 choices. You can either press the shift key and the letter at the same time or you can press the CAPS LOCK key before pressing the letter. IMPORTANT, MAKE SURE TO PRESS THE CAPS LOCK KEY AGAIN TO GO BACK TO NORMAL TYPING.
I found a good introduction to using the keyboard, it's not in this country, but in South Africa, but the site does to a good job at explaining how to use your keyboard.
http://www.saide.org.za/COLOnline/skill/keyb/keyboard.htm
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