Nutball Scrawl Wall!

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Ok, I've found my niche! Nobody enjoys politics as much as I do, so I'm going to make this the regular poll watch(I may borrow results from CNN, Zogby and Fox) I'll update the numbers regularly. I know, it's true, you can get these numbers all over the news, but hey, it's more fun to get them from me, I'll even throw in my short(I promise) commentary from time to time, probably all the time

Here goes:

First numbers released, poll taken October 9th, 2004
Poll: Davis Would Lose to Schwarzenegger

.c The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES (AP) - California voters would take away Gov. Gray Davis' job and give it to actor Arnold Schwarzenegger if the Oct. 7 recall election were held immediately, a poll found Saturday.

The Time/CNN poll, released on the last day for candidates to file to run in the election, found that 54 percent of voters would recall the Democratic governor and 35 percent would keep him in office. Eleven percent were not sure.

Of eight potential replacement candidates the poll mentioned, Schwarzenegger, a Republican, got support from 25 percent of respondents. Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, with 15 percent support, was the only other replacement candidate in double digits.

If Davis loses the recall, his replacement won't need a majority of the vote - just more than any of the 130 other contenders who could end up on the ballot.

The poll, which was conducted Friday, found 9 percent support for state Sen. Tom McClintock, R-Thousand Oaks; 7 percent for GOP businessman Bill Simon, who lost to Davis in November; 4 percent for former baseball commissioner Peter Ueberroth; 4 percent for columnist Arianna Huffington; and 4 percent for Hustler publisher Larry Flynt.

Insurance Commissioner John Garamendi, a Democrat, was at 2 percent in the poll, but he dropped out of the race Saturday. Twenty-three percent of voters were unsure who they would vote for.

The poll interviewed 508 registered voters and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.3 percent.

Pollsters also asked voters if they thought Schwarzenegger was capable of governing California. Forty-five percent said yes, 39 percent said no and 16 percent were not sure.

Only 29 percent of those surveyed approved of Davis' performance as governor. Sixty-three percent disapproved and 8 percent were not sure.

The poll reaffirmed the popularity of Democratic U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who decided against entering the race despite pressure from fellow lawmakers. If Feinstein had been in the running, 22 percent of those surveyed said they would choose her, compared to 20 percent for Schwarzenegger and 9 percent for Bustamante.

My Take: Arnold my man, you're off to a great start! Let's face it though, once he takes more positions, ie; illegal immigration, one side or the other will not be happy with whatever his position is, he'll lose some of his honeymoon following. Hey! McClintock@9%, Simon@7, and Ueberroth@4, that's 20%, they can't win with single digit support(oh, yes, yes, I know it's early) but come on guys, set your sights on future runs, throw your support to Schwarzie, that would bring him up to 45%! That would be, in my humble opinion, impossible for those demo flatliners to beat(am I supposed to be impartial if I do a poll watch?

Oh well, this is MY poll watch!

Crimson · Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:34 pm Post subject:

I heard that Arnie voted against Proposition 187

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Yes, and Pete Wilson is running his campaign.

My guess is Schwarzenegger has a strategic plan for this campaign. I think the critics are wrong, he's not going to be hiding behind cliches and platitudes, you watch, he's going to surprise everyone again, he'll have direct answers, and will make his positions clear, probably next week.

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

More numbers

Meanwhile a CNN, USA Today and Gallup poll of 801 voters released Sunday night found that 42 percent of voters said there was a good chance they would vote for the Schwarzenegger. Sixty-four percent said they would vote to recall Davis, who is unpopular over his handling of state finances.

Tall and stiff, his practiced half-smile exuded calm where little now exists as he parried reporters' questions about his dismal showing.

Davis, saying there would be "a lot of polls", countered that he intends to "spend every day I can making life better" for Californians.

Yes, lots of polls, like Davis said, and you'll see them here on
"Cheryl's Poll Watch"....and now back to your regular programming.

MagiCat · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:18 pm Post subject:

I'd love to see a poll like they did when I went to school, where they poll 1000 students in California. I can see it now, out of 1000 college students sampled, 48% prefer Larry Flynt while 52% want anyone but Larry Flynt.

100% of the sample agreed that T3 totally sucked.

Don of the Dial

Channel 9 news is pulling for Davis. They always go Demo(n) and liberal.

Now they are running the same segments on both channel 2 and 9.

The news writers seem to feel that people won't be able to find their candidate's name.

Tricky finding a name in a 6 page (they claim) ballot, also described as a "book".

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

The numbers on the right represent California voters:
the numbers on the left, on-line, nationwide voters:

NBC Poll: Voters want Davis out

Yes, recall Governor Davis 67% 59%
No, do not recall Governor Davis 26% 35%
Not sure 7% 6%
8. Whether you vote to recall or to keep Governor Davis, for whom would you vote to replace him?
NBC
Bill Simon 5% 6%
Arnold Schwarzenegger 58% 31%
Arianna Huffington 4% 4%
Cruz Bustamante 12% 18%
Tom McClintock 3% 4%
Peter Ueberroth 5% 6%
One of the other candidates 2% 3%
Would not vote 5% 3%
Not sure 7% 26

MagiCat · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 5:47 pm Post subject:

But what about Gary Coleman?

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

He falls under "one of the other candidates"

Looks like many of the candidates have poll numbers to match their physical size

Sorry, that was mean

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Schwarzenegger trails his main Democratic opponent in the California recall vote to replace Gov. Gray Davis, a poll released on Saturday found.

A Field Poll showed Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, who broke ranks with fellow Democrat Davis to put his name on the ballot, attracted 25 percent support of 629 registered voters surveyed, compared to 22 percent for the star of the "Terminator" films.

The results indicate that two conservative Republican candidates, state Sen. Bill McClintock and businessman Bill Simon, could siphon off enough Republican support to cost Schwarzenegger the California governorship.

The Field Poll, which had a five point margin of error, showed McClintock with nine percent support and Simon -- who Davis beat in the regularly scheduled November 2002 election -- with eight percent of total likely voters.

Schwarzenegger's campaign downplayed the results.

"The Field Poll traditionally tilts left. There are four public polls now that have been out this week, three of them show Arnold leading Bustamante," spokesman Rob Stutzman said.

The Oct. 7 ballot will ask Californians whether they want to replace Davis. A second question then lists 135 candidates from which voters will choose a replacement for the incumbent governor.

"Schwarzenegger's image is also mixed and partisan," pollsters Mark DiCamillo and Mervin Field said in their analysis. "Among the overall electorate, 44 percent view the movie actor favorably, but 40 percent have an unfavorable opinion of him."

"While two out of three Republicans (66 percent) view him favorably, 63 percent of Democrats hold an unfavorable view."

Only California would be stupid enough to replace Gray Davis with Cruz Bustamonte.

Don of the Dial · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:47 am Post subject:

Why is "Field Poll" capitalized? Is that the name of the poll; the Field Poll, named after Barbara Field or something?

Or is it just a poll that is conducted in the 'field'.

Why do hacky pol writers rely on this cheap, unsubstantiated, random 'polls'?

This new poll doesn't say where they called and who knows what other information is lacking.

"Bad Crap!"

PS - Gary Colman and all the other side shows freaks and instant losers need to take a hike and get out of the way.

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

[b]
Press Release

How Low Can We Go? Recall Reflects New Depths Of Pessimism In California

Economic Uncertainty, Budget Crisis Fuel Resentment of State Government; Residents Express Mixed Emotions About Iraq Conflict

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SAN FRANCISCO, California, August 21, 2003 — Has the Golden State lost its luster? Californians are increasingly gloomy about the state of the state and bitter about the performance of their elected representatives, according to a new survey released today by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC). And they have found an outlet for their pain: California’s first-ever statewide recall election appears to have captured their attention and mounting support.

By a margin of more than three-to-one, Californians today say the state is headed in the wrong direction. In recent years, Californians have been relatively pessimistic about the direction of the state, but the percentage who view the state’s direction negatively (66%) now stands at a six-year high. Likely voters are even more pessimistic about the state’s future: 74 percent say it is headed in the wrong direction. And the spreading disaffection has finally hit California’s most optimistic population: By a two-to-one margin, Latinos now say the state is headed in the wrong direction (56% to 28%).

Why such a gloomy outlook? It’s the economy — and the state budget. A majority (53%) of state residents say they expect bad times for the state economy in the coming year, down from February (71%) but similar to one year ago (51%). Californians (58%) still believe their region of the state is in an economic recession. Consistent with these worries, residents view the economy, jobs, and unemployment (34%) as the biggest problem facing the state, followed by the state budget and taxes (12%), education and schools (11%), and the gubernatorial recall (11%).

If they are feeling little relief from their economic woes, Californians are getting even less satisfaction about their second biggest concern — the state budget — even after the passage of a budget deal earlier this month. More than half of state residents (57%) and 61 percent of likely voters say they are dissatisfied with the budget plan. Indeed, they appear unhappy with most aspects of the compromise budget: 61 percent oppose the idea of floating $11 billion in state bonds as a way to reduce the deficit, and 77 percent are very (36%) or somewhat (41%) concerned about the effects of spending cuts outlined in the agreement. Although the budget does not raise taxes, Californians are split over whether or not it should (44%) or should not (50%) have included tax increases. Despite their general disgust, residents today are even more opposed to an oft-mentioned budget process reform: Only 39 percent support the idea of lowering the supermajority threshold for passing a budget in the state legislature, compared to 46 percent in June.

“A stagnant economy, a very public and unpopular budget drama, and a distrustful electorate: All the makings of a perfect storm,” says survey director Mark Baldassare. As the storm builds, approval ratings for Governor Gray Davis remain at historical lows, especially among likely voters: 72 percent say they disapprove of the way he is handling his job; 71 percent disapprove of his handling of jobs and the economy. The state legislature has lost substantial ground: 68 percent of likely voters disapprove of the legislature’s overall performance, compared to 58 percent in June. Currently, 78 percent disapprove of the legislature’s handling of budget and tax issues.

Total Recall

Given their frustration, it is understandable that Californians would be captivated by the recall campaign. But the intensity of their interest is surprising — comparable to the level of interest during the energy crisis and following September 11th, and higher than during last fall’s gubernatorial election. Today, 89 percent of likely voters are very closely (45%) or fairly closely (44%) following news of the recall. “This is so much bigger than the recall itself,” says Baldassare. “However unrealistic, voters are also hoping for a quick fix for their larger concerns.” Indeed, 47 percent of likely voters say things in California would get better if Davis is removed from office, while only 17 percent say they would get worse and 28 percent believe there would be no change.

At this early stage of the campaign, 58 percent of likely voters say they would vote to remove Davis as governor, up from 51 percent in June and 50 percent in July. Majorities of Republicans (84%), independents (60%), and Latinos (58%) support the recall, while a majority of Democrats (56%) oppose it. The San Francisco Bay Area is the only major region of the state where a majority of voters (55%) would keep Davis as governor. Governor Davis’ political problems stem from both his policies and his personal style: Among likely voters, about half (48%) say they dislike the man and his policies, while only 12 percent say they like Davis and his policies.

Currently, 32 percent of all likely voters have not decided which of the candidates they would choose to replace Governor Davis. Among those who have decided, more name Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger (23%) and Democrat Cruz Bustamante (18%) than any of the other candidates (no other candidate receives over 4 percent support). Bustamante (27%) leads Schwarzenegger (19%) among Latino voters.

But despite the plethora of choices, only 49 percent of likely voters say they are satisfied with their candidate choices in the recall election, and 40 percent say they are unsatisfied. “This is surprising given the wide range of choices, the sheer volume of candidates, and the level of support for the recall,” says Baldassare. “It’s the wild card in the race.” Despite being underwhelmed about their choices for the current election and conflicted about whether or not the current effort to recall the governor is an appropriate use of the recall process, voters overwhelmingly (80%) believe that the provision of a recall in the state constitution is a good thing. However, when informed that the special election will cost between $50 million and $70 million, 53 percent believe it is a waste of money.

The Also Rans: Propositions 53 and 54

Two initiatives, previously slated for the March 2004 ballot, have wound up as part of the October 7th Special Election. Both currently enjoy slim majority support. Proposition 53 — which would set aside between 1 and 3 percent of the state’s General Fund revenues for state and local infrastructure projects — is supported by 52 percent of likely voters, while 25 percent oppose the initiative and 23 percent are undecided. Democratic (59%) and independent (51%) voters would vote yes on Prop. 53, but fewer than half of Republicans (45%) support it. Despite the budget crisis, voters remain comfortable with setting aside portions of General Fund revenue for specific program areas: 58 percent say earmarking is generally a good idea. And they consider infrastructure investment a worthy cause: 43 percent say the current level of funding for infrastructure projects is inadequate, while only 9 percent think it is more than enough.

Currently, 50 percent of likely voters favor Proposition 54 — which would prohibit state and local governments from using race, ethnicity, color, and national origin to classify students, employees, or contractors — while 37 percent are opposed and 13 percent are undecided. Republicans (60%), independents (52%), and whites (51%) are more likely than Democrats (43%) and Latinos (39%) to support this initiative. Voters are divided about whether the collection of racial and ethnic data is important (50%) or unimportant (47%). They are also split over the perceived effect of the initiative’s passage on racial and ethnic minorities in California: 26 percent believe it would be a good thing for these groups, 26 percent a bad thing, and 34 percent say it would make no difference. There are sharp differences between whites and non-whites on this question: A greater percentage of non-whites (34%) than whites (25%) say the initiative would be a bad thing for minority groups.

Little Consensus on Iraq, But Confidence in U.S. Security as 9/11 Anniversary Looms

Approval ratings for President George W. Bush have remained relatively stable in recent months: 53 percent of Californians say they approve of his overall performance in office — similar to his national approval rating (55%) — while 42 percent of state residents disapprove.

California residents are divided over Bush’s handling of the situation in Iraq: Fifty percent say they approve and 45 percent say they disapprove. This rating is also lower than his national approval rating on Iraq (56%). These numbers reflect Californians’ mixed feelings about U.S. efforts to establish security in and rebuild Iraq, as well as about Bush Administration efforts to “sell” the action. Half of state residents say that U.S. activities in Iraq have gone very (13%) or somewhat (38%) well since major hostilities ended on May 1st, while slightly fewer say they have not gone too well (27%) or have not gone well at all (19%). Californians are also divided about the value of U.S. involvement in Iraq: 47 percent say the war is worth the toll it has taken in terms of American lives and other costs, while 46 percent say it is not worth these costs. And although a majority of state residents (59%) say the war did contribute to the long-term security of the United States, a majority (53%) also believes that the Bush Administration intentionally exaggerated evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Support for President Bush is highest when it comes to his handling of terrorism and homeland security issues: 62 percent say they approve of his efforts in this area, down from 70 percent one year ago. As the nation approaches the second anniversary of September 11th, 58 percent of state residents say they are very (14%) or somewhat (44%) confident that U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies will be able to prevent future terrorist attacks. However, while 61 percent of Californians say terrorism and security is a problem in the state today, residents are presently more concerned that new laws will excessively restrict civil liberties (54%) than they are that the government will fail to enact strong anti-terrorism laws (34%).

About the survey

The purpose of the PPIC Statewide Survey is to develop an in-depth profile of the social, economic, and political forces affecting California elections and public policy preferences. Findings of this survey are based on a telephone survey of 2,001 California adult residents interviewed from August 8 to August 17, 2003. Interviews were conducted in English or Spanish. The sampling error for the total sample is +/- 2%. The sampling error for the 1,540 registered voters is +/- 2.5% and for the 993 likely voters is +/- 3%. For more information on survey methodology, see page 19.

Mark Baldassare is research director at PPIC, where he holds the Arjay and Frances Fearing Miller Chair in Public Policy. He is founder of the PPIC Statewide Survey, which he has directed since 1998. His most recent book, A California State of Mind: The Conflicted Voter in a Changing World, is available at http://www.ppic.org/.

PPIC is a private, nonprofit organization dedicated to improving public policy through objective, nonpartisan research on the economic, social, and political issues that affect Californians. The institute was established in 1994 with an endowment from William R. Hewlett. PPIC does not take or support positions on any ballot measure or on any local, state, or federal legislation, nor does it endorse, support, or oppose any political parties or candidates for public office.[/b]

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

As much as it pains me to post this, here's the Depressing Times' left leaning poll:

Half of Likely Voters Say They Would Recall Davis
Forty-five percent oppose recall with just 5% of those surveyed saying they are still deciding how to vote.

By Mark Z. Barabak, Times Staff Writer

California voters are closely divided over whether to recall Gov. Gray Davis and are concerned the election may result in confusion and spawn future attempts at political payback, according to a new Los Angeles Times Poll.

The survey, which ended Thursday night, finds a state nearly cleaved in half by partisan divisions. Democrats are overwhelmingly negative in their assessments of the recall process, while Republicans view the Oct. 7 vote in largely positive terms.

But in signs of danger for Davis, Republicans appear much more energized by the off-year election, meaning they are more likely to vote. At the same time, the governor has the support of just three in four of his fellow Democrats. Eighty-three percent of Republicans favor his recall.

Overall, 50% of likely voters said they supported the effort to turn Davis out of office, while 45% were opposed. Most said their minds were firmly made up: just 5% of those surveyed said they were still deciding how to cast their ballots.

Still, a great deal of uncertainty surrounds the election, which is unprecedented in California and has only succeeded once in the nation's history. Turnout will be decisive and, given the unique nature of the race, it is difficult to project exactly who will take part in the election in just over six weeks.

Other recent polls have shown stronger support for the recall. Susan Pinkus, director of the Times Poll, said that may reflect the timing of the surveys. "The dust has settled; people are becoming more pragmatic, realistic and serious about it," she said.

The Times Poll interviewed 1,351 registered voters between Aug. 16 and Aug. 21. Among them were 801 voters deemed likely to cast ballots in the recall. The margin of sampling error for likely voters is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The survey turned up a deeply sour mood among Californians, with Davis--the central figure in the recall--bearing the brunt of that dissatisfaction.

Nearly eight in 10 likely voters said things in California were headed in the wrong direction, and nearly 7 in 10 said the economy was in bad shape. Asked whom they blamed, a third said Davis was responsible for the weak economy, while the Democratic-controlled Legislature were blamed by 27%. Just 17% suggested President Bush was responsible, despite Davis' assertions that the weak national economy has dragged California down.

Overall, 72% of likely voters disapproved of Davis' job performance, including more than half of his fellow Democrats. Only 26% of likely voters approved. **Cheryl's commentary time: (But nearly 50% will vote against the recall, where did the Idiot Times find these people? On the street corner? among the day laborers?)

One of those Democrats is Kimberly Perez, 33, a veterinary student in the Central Valley town of Galt. "I'm just not satisfied with the way the state's going right now," Perez said in a follow-up interview.

Specifically, she cited Davis' handling of the 2001 energy crisis and the cuts made to education as part of the budget he signed earlier this month. "I just don't think he reacted soon enough to what was going on in our state," Perez said.

Davis' image as a poor leader is widely held and the main reason that likely voters said they wanted to oust him from office, less than a year after he won election to a second term. One in three of those who said they would recall him cited "mismanagement" as the reason they favored Davis' exit, and 19% cited the energy crisis, which helped foster the governor's reputation for indecisiveness.

Even the vast majority of those opposed to the recall were not overly fond of the governor, citing concerns about the process--rather than personal regard for Davis--as the reason they were against the move to bounce him from office.

Roughly one in five of those opposed to the recall said the governor was reelected fairly and deserves to serve a full four-year term. Thirteen percent cited the estimated $65 million cost, and 13% said the election was simply a "stupid idea."

"I don't think that's the way government ought to be run," said Andrew Culbreath, a 70-year-old Panorama City retiree and Democrat. "The recall is for cases of malfeasance, or misuse of office. I don't think it should be used because you disagree with their policies."

Even though a plurality of likely voters said they favor recalling Davis, there is still concern--and confusion--about how the election will proceed.

The balloting will be a two-step process. First, voters will be asked whether or not Davis should be kicked out of office. Then, regardless of how—or if--they voted on that question, they can vote to choose his successor. If more than 50% favor the recall, the candidate with the most votes on the second half of the ballot will take Davis' place as soon as the election results are certified.

The survey found that nearly one in three voters were confused about how the election works, or were unsure about how to proceed once they get their ballot.

The poll also found worry about the large number of candidates—135—who will be listed as potential replacements for Davis. Asked if they were concerned about the difficulty of finding their favored candidate among all those listed, 60% expressed concern about navigating the lengthy ballot . Even so, three in four likely voters said the confusion would make no difference in their decision whether to recall Davis. And 64% said it made no difference that Davis' successor could be elected with just a small percentage of the total votes cast. Even a majority of Democrats said that did not matter as they weighed the governor's fate.

Overall, however, most opinions on the recall were deeply shaded by partisanship.

The effort to qualify the initiative was led by Republicans, who garnered nearly 1.7 million signatures from voters of all stripes to force the referendum on Davis' future. Asked if they believed--as Davis has argued--that the election was a GOP attempt to overturn last November's results, 52% of likely voters said they did not; 45% said they did.

But responses differed sharply along partisan lines. Three in four Democrats believed Republicans were trying to subvert the November results, while 84% of Republicans disagreed.

Opinions were similarly split about how the recall is unfolding and what the special election represents.

Likely voters were asked which statement came closer to their view: "The diversity of candidates running for governor shows that the democratic process is working" or "the recall process is threatening to turn the process into a political circus?" Overall, 53% of likely voters said the race threatened to become a circus. Eighty percent of Democrats held that view; by contrast, 67% of Republicans said the political process is working the way it should.

Similarly, asked about the precedent established by the recall vote and the possibility of continued recriminations--another reason Davis has offered for voting "no"--52% of likely voters said they worried about starting a cycle of political payback. Three in four Democrats called the election a "dangerous precedent;" two-thirds of Republicans, however, said they have no such concern.

To forestall future recall attempts, 61% of likely voters said they would like to make it more difficult to force such elections in the future. Eighty-one percent of Democrats liked the idea; 56% of Republicans were opposed.

Partisans even differed over whether the election is taking a toll on official business in Sacramento. By 54% to 44%, a majority of likely voters agreed with the notion that recall elections like the one Oct. 7 interfere with elected officials' ability to do their duties. Three in four Democrats agreed, while two in three Republicans disagreed.

For all those strong feelings, however, Republicans appear far more energized by the Oct. 7 election than Democrats.

Republicans make up 35% of the registered voters in the state, while Democrats make up 45%. However, the Times Poll suggests a disproportionate number of Republican voters are likely to actually take part in the recall election, constituting 43% of the turnout, with Democrats making up 45%.

"The recall seems to have mobilized the Republican Party base, while Democratic voters are not as enthused at this point," said poll director Pinkus. "For Davis to beat the recall, he must do more to excite his own troops to come to his rescue."

Part of the Republican enthusiasm--apart from the chance to wrest the governor's office from Democrats--may have to do with perceptions of how a new governor would fare in Sacramento.

Overall, 61% of likely voters--and eight in 10 Republicans--said they believe electing someone other than Davis as governor would make a significant difference in fixing problems like the budget shortfall and improving public education. More than half--55%--of Democrats said it would make little or no difference.

Paradoxically, however, likely voters are more pessimistic about the success any new governor would have dealing with the Democratic-run Legislature.

Fifty-nine percent of likely voters said they believed that "partisan politics" would allow room for little accomplishment, a view that is essentially shared by Democrats and Republicans alike.

That may reflect the low esteem Californians have for Sacramento in general. Asked how much of the time they feel they can trust the state government "to do what is right," 79% said only some of the time or hardly ever. Just 21% said most of the time. Democrats and Republicans basically shared that largely negative view.

MagiCat · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 10:52 am Post subject: New LA Times Poll

Looks like Bustamante's got a big lead among self described likely voters according to the new LA Times poll.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/recall/la-me-poll24aug24,1,7382768.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Tough part about this whole thing is how does this translate to actual voters. Does the fact that people know this is a close election mean more people who might not normally vote will vote and help Bustamante or will a lot of the Republicans bow out and try to get the people who were going to vote for them to vote for Arnie (like Simon is).

I guess it'll be a fun few weeks!
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Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

The main numbers from that poll:

As the sole major Democrat running to replace Davis — should the incumbent be ousted Oct. 7 — Bustamante enjoys the support of 35% of likely voters, the poll found.

Schwarzenegger received the support of 22%, followed by three fellow Republicans: state Sen. Tom McClintock of Thousand Oaks with 12%, businessman Peter V. Ueberroth with 7% and Bill Simon Jr. — the GOP's 2002 gubernatorial nominee — with 6%.

Handel was having some fun with the LATimes poll this morning. The Times, with their well known liberal bias, must've polled Teamsters and UTLA to find these numbers. There has not been one other poll where the results seemed to heavily favor democrats. Where is Cruz Bustamonte's background, his affiliation with Raza and Mencha? Nope, unlike Simon and Riordon, and now Schwarzenegger, there is just nothing negative to say about the guy I guess. I would love to see Riordon start a competing publication, I'm sick to death of the LATimes.

Still, in keeping with the fair and balanced policies here at Cheryl's Poll, the numbers from the Times will be included Evil or Very Mad

Crimson · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 2:22 pm Post subject:

I sometimes wonder if the L.A. Times doesn't have their home office in Tijuana Evil or Very Mad

MagiCat · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject:

Crimson · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:51 pm Post subject:

Good point, Cheryl. WHY hasn't anything been mentioned about Bustamonte's Mecha and Raza allegiances and ties?

Others can't wait to dig into Arnie's father's past.....to see what a candidates FATHER was involved in, but Bustamonte is actively tied to organizations who make no secret of their intentions to "take back Mexico"

What kind of candidate is that to politically head an AMERICAN state??????
Or even be a Lt. Gov.?

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

MagiCat · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:10 pm Post subject:

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Crimson · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:15 pm Post subject:

Yes, Cheryl....the Asian immigrants (even those that were smuggled in illegally) do work hard, band together and do extremely well in business.

Their children excell in education accomplishments, and best of all...they never whine about wanting free medical care, food stamps or subsidized housing.

They value the opportunities our country has to offer, and they don't want to try and conquer it and call it China or Korea or Vietnam.

I've known many Koreans here, and upon arrival....they form and belong to huge networks, established citizens here helping newcomers with loans, until they get on their feet, and those newcomers reciprocating the favor to the next new group.

And they do it all efficiently and quietly.....without protest, without DEMANDING special ballots, and translations that are crammed down our throats by even ILLEGAL Mexicans daily.

I commend them; for their children too are immersed in the public school system. They don't even have the same alphabet as English....but do you hear them complain?

And how many car chases, murders and Amber Alerts do you see on TV....by Asians?

I'd like to see the dollar figures of the California budget pertaining to Asians vs Mexicans.

Cheryl · JOHN AND KEN Security Goon Joined: 26 Aug 2002 Posts: 2263

Exactly, and I know the UC system discriminates against Asians the same as whites when it comes to admissions.

When I taught my first class, some years ago, I had 3 kids who spoke no English and, consequently, were suffering academically. 2 were new Mexican immigratns, 1 was Asian. Of the 2 Mexican immigrants, 1 little girl was especially eager, and struggled to read, but never turned in homework or stayed after school for some one on one tutoring that I offered, she said she had to go home and help her Mom, and, after overcoming some fear, admitted that her homework wasn't done because nobody in the household spoke or understood English, she said her Mom told her "tell the teacher you need your work in Spanish" she was moved to a Bilingual class after a short time. The other was a boy, he was absent 3 days out of the week, and eventually took extended leave in Mexico. The other child, an Asian boy, he was such a doll, he had some English skills but comprehension was a problem, so I offered the same tutoring to him, not only did he stay for about an hour and a half, his mother showed up with McDonald's food for ME, and thanked me for helping her son, asked what he needed. I told her all the test dates(at her request) and gave her several workbooks, she gladly took him. He never missed a day, and if he did have a problem with a test, his Mom would show up ,again, with food and drink for ME. I explained that she didn't have to do this, that it was both my obligation and my pleasure to teach Michael(yep Michael Yee), but she was very appreciative, and seemed anxious that I accept. He ended the year at the top of my class. He graduated from High School(I followed his progress) as the #3 student. SUCCESS!

The difference was the parental involvement and the value of education, and an understanding that in order for their children to succeed and get ahead, they have to do well in school. His mother probably had McDonald's for the college counselors as well.

Crimson · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:55 pm Post subject:

Very nice to read something like that, Cheryl.

"Tell the teacher you want your work in Spanish...disgusts me."

I'd be wanting to answer back, "Tell your mother to assimilate, get her fat ass up from sitting there watching the Novellas and Noticias in Spanish, or else leave and go where you can have everything you want in Spanish, all the time."

Of course, as I've said often...I'd be fired the first day before lunch working in the l. a. county school district, or any other agency! (except the fraud unit)

Which reminds me:
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~1589713,00.html