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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:03 pm    Post subject: Vote NO on Affirmitive Action Reply with quote

Hey Terminator~

As a former honorary, temporary moderator here, I can tell you that one of the requirements of being a moderator is that you are supposed to have an active participation in the forum. I think you have 12 posts.

Someone once said, "I think that board moderators should be actively involved with the board and be interested in participating in the discussion flow."

How'd you squeeze in?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A short term Terminator, but another in a series of abuses of power on the forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Vote NO on Affirmitive Action Reply with quote

Don of the Dial wrote:
Hey Terminator~

As a former honorary, temporary moderator here, I can tell you that one of the requirements of being a moderator is that you are supposed to have an active participation in the forum. I think you have 12 posts.

Someone once said, "I think that board moderators should be actively involved with the board and be interested in participating in the discussion flow."

How'd you squeeze in?


I'm not sure if this post was in jest but since from what I've seen you don't really have a sense of humor to speak of, I will take it as a serious question.

Terminator is my troll. I'm sure everyone here knows that, unlike other users who have hidden trolls that post where the user tries to hide behind the troll, I pretty much only use my troll in an attempt to be funny (note: I said attempt).

Anyone who has browsed http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/ (blatent board plug) knows that there is a mini fued going on with another board in which a moderator account was compromised temporarily. I decided to turn on Moderator status for Terminator on this board to test the extent of what a moderator can do so as to allow me to protect THE Trolls as much as possible while letting the Moderators there do what they need to do.

As this board doesn't get much traffic or have any real need for Moderation and Cheryl does a great job the times it does, I figured that this board is the best place for me to test things like that.

Either that or the Terminator was the honorary, temporary moderator of the day and nominations will be taken for tomorrows honorary, temporary moderator.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temporary Moderator?

Now What?

You know...this game playing has gone on far too long, and frankly..it's distracting.

Why is Don's name gone again?

Not talking

You know Magicat, this testing that you do...putting OTHER names on as moderators and removing people....What's with that? The least you could do is let them know ahead of time.

How would YOU like to log on to your Board...trolls or w/e the F*ck it is and find yourself removed?

You tested before with your wife's name, and it caused hard feelings.

Can't you test on some dummy template board...and not mess with people on here?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And NO, maybe I'm naive...but I didn't know that Terminator was YOUR troll.

Interesting..a feud going on? Do you think we need any more trouble going on here at this board?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson wrote:
You know Magicat, this testing that you do...putting OTHER names on as moderators and removing people....What's with that? The least you could do is let them know ahead of time.

How would YOU like to log on to your Board...trolls or w/e the F*ck it is and find yourself removed?

You tested before with your wife's name, and it caused hard feelings.

Can't you test on some dummy template board...and not mess with people on here?


I test things on the best place I have to test them. For some reason Don things the entire universe revolves around him, that every action that I take in life is somehow based on some animosity towards him. Now Don whines in a thread and it's poor Don, Mark is abusing him again by putting Terminator on as a moderator temporarily. He needs to call 1-800-WAAAAAH since I'm kindof bored with the whining.

Honestly, I don't think everytime I do something: Hmmmm, I wonder how it's going to impact Don. Is Don going to have hurt feelings? If he insults me and I want to hit back, I'm pretty straightforward about it. Very few people ever accuse me of being subtle.

As far as setting up a dummy board, I've done that before but you know what, keeping it up-to-date is a hassle, it's just easier to just use a board that already exists. If it involves security, it's going to be this one because this board doesn't have people trying to hack accounts or break into it all the time. I'm not paid for either of these boards, either for my time or the server space, I'm most likely going to do things the easiest way possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And while I'm here...

Affirmative Action is a piece of crap too. It's more than served it's purpose over the years. I'll agree it was necessary years ago, when there was not an even ground for employment, and college admissions.

But as usual, it became abused like many social programs initiated to assist those who needed help and now has become yet another handout for what used to be the minority populations.

And I've seen it firsthand, right here in the Valley. It's now a situation blatantly displaying Reverse Discrimination.

Ask the Asian and African-American population Honor Students.

So, my vote goes to NO.

I'm very weary of so much over-compensation to the latino population.

Why do we even need to categorize applications for anything....according to race or ethnicity?

Just leave that off and keep it fair for everyone.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson wrote:
And NO, maybe I'm naive...but I didn't know that Terminator was YOUR troll.

Interesting..a feud going on? Do you think we need any more trouble going on here at this board?


I'm sorry, Cheryl knew (never really tried to hide it), but that may have been that she saw that Terminator was from the same IP address from me. Just want to make one thing clear publically for people (I'm always very honest with what the Moderator powers of the board allows), it allows you to see which users are posting from the same IP address as other users. So for example, if a user on here was posting under two names, this is very obvious to us.

The feud is between http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/ and http://www.rackthetrolls.net/forum/ Not really a feud from our end, but it seems that board (which gets about as much traffic as Talk Heroes does) is at war with THE Trolls.

A good thread about the security problem, a brief explanation of why you should have a different password for each board that you're on, and a simple primer that tells you how easy it would be for anyone running any board to steal your password (which is why I encourage a different password for each thing you're on) is at http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=783645
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson wrote:

So, my vote goes to NO.


Any opinion as to what (if anything) should be done to eliminate the proverbial glass ceiling for women in companies today?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, w/e....that's between you and Art.

But I don't think removing a Moderator, no matter who it is, TWICE without asking them or at least notifying them first is very cool.

And last time I checked...a few minutes ago..I only see Cheryl's name.

I'm staying out of the feud going on in here, but in turn, I don't think we need to be involved in another's board's problems, either. But ok, it's not my board, it's Arts.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson wrote:

But I don't think removing a Moderator, no matter who it is, TWICE without asking them or at least notifying them first is very cool.

And last time I checked...a few minutes ago..I only see Cheryl's name.


I never warn people that I'm going to remove them as moderator. Moderators can do things to damage the board and I really don't want to have someone who can damage the board know that I'm going to take away this power.

I tend to be very public about why I do things. As I've stated before, when Don removed a post that he didn't like (yes, it was attacking him, notice I don't remove his posts attacking me), I removed the moderator powers until I could make sure that he couldn't remove posts. That's when I set Steph up as a moderator to set up the forum so that moderators couldn't remove or edit other peoples posts. Then I put him back as moderator.

As for why Art removed his name as moderator, I'll let him discuss this based on how he feels if he wants to discuss it at all.

As for another board's problems, this board is not involved with the other board. I'm doing things on here for test purposes only.

I guess Don decide to jump on it to get a platform to whine, poor baby, MagiCat's oppressing him. It's actually getting pathetic, I've never seen a guy whine as much as this one.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was Art who removed Don as Moderator and Cheryl knew about it, then that's different.

Perhaps it was my mis-conception, but it looked to me that it was you who removed Don.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope you're feeling better Mr K, and I hope you get back to 790 real soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson wrote:
If it was Art who removed Don as Moderator and Cheryl knew about it, then that's different.

Perhaps it was my mis-conception, but it looked to me that it was you who removed Don.


Nope, not me, but I'm guessing that based on this:

Don of the Dial wrote:
As a former honorary, temporary moderator here, I can tell you that one of the requirements of being a moderator is that you are supposed to have an active participation in the forum. I think you have 12 posts.

Someone once said, "I think that board moderators should be actively involved with the board and be interested in participating in the discussion flow."


We can probably determine at least part of what was in Art's e-mail to Don. As you've seen recently, Don obviously has a major chip on his shoulder. His main recent posts have been to try attacking me. Like I've said, that's up to him, I can play too. But it does get boring after a while (though he seems to be not bored with it.)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MagiCat,

Enough with the moderator game, if it is that meaningless, then I ask that you remove my name as well, and leave it off. You know exactly what the moderator has power to do, so cut the crap.

Anne,

Art removed Don's name as moderator, he explained this to Don. Art is always agreeable and accomidating, there are options, it's between Don and Art. I think the following statement is true, it's probably Art that Don is quoting:

"I think that board moderators should be actively involved with the board and be interested in participating in the discussion flow"


Don,

Maybe we should get back to discussing issues, I don't know if you're interested in discussing them with me, but there's always Anne, and Art, DV and others that drop in from time to time.

For the record: I am opposed to affirmative action, it's not about equality, it's about giving special treatment. I don't think women are a suppressed group. I don't like the idea of being given *special status* based on race, gender or national origin. It's no longer a problem, nobody is being held back.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dvScotty wrote:
Hope you're feeling better Mr K, and I hope you get back to 790 real soon.

Hi DV,

HUH? Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was out last night, and his fill-in (Brian I think?????) said he was out sick.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh...I think that must have been Brian Whitman. I do know that Joe Crummey covered for Doug McIntyre who's covering for the morning drive guys while they're on vacation. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a 'shor't note for now to set the name removing chronology straight-

Mark removed my name w/o Art's permission.
Mark installed his wife's name w/o Art's permission.

Art : "I have spoken with Mark and have informed him that his behavior, up to and including trolling your posts, pulling your
moderator status without my approval, and personal insults WILL cease immediately."

Art replaced (or instructed Mark to) my name as moderator.
Art then removed my name when I told him that I would not be participating in the forum.

Mark installed the Terminator aka himself as moderator on both parts of the forum. Then, someone removed the Terminator as moderator.

All the other tricks, glitches and switches regarding powers of editing, deleting, moderating, etc. have all seemed to originate with Mark. You can believe his 'explanations' or not.

However, I suggest you read his posts on these issues very, very carefully. They are full of innuendo, mis-truths and major spin.

BEWARE his selective use of the personal pronoun, "I". In one post in this thread, his lack of the word, "I" makes it unclear if he is refering to Cheryl or himself.

It's unfortunate that Mark has so little respect for this forum and the people on it that he that he cavaleirly uses it for his 'experiments' which keep screwing up the board and disturbing the people on it. This shoudn't be his Mengele/Aberdeen testing area with victims ready to order.

His attitude, as stated above is, 'I don't get paid to do this, so I am likely to do the easiest thing for me'.

His constant use of the board to syphon away posters using constant links to his own forum is very questionable.

His use of this forum as a tool to defeat some other small forum in a "war" with his own, personal forum is absurd and distracting and just drags us into something no one cares anything about.

His wide-eyed 'who me?' and 'Don is this or that' posts are beyond the realm of even being marginally realistic.

And all this from a guy who doesn't even listen to the John and Ken Show on a regular basis!

Ask yourself, is this forum better or worse since Mark began his constant posting? Was the forum happier and more entertaining before Mark turned it into a jousting field?

And there ya go.....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don of the Dial wrote:

It's unfortunate that Mark has so little respect for this forum and the people on it that he that he cavaleirly uses it for his 'experiments' which keep screwing up the board and disturbing the people on it. This shoudn't be his Mengele/Aberdeen testing area with victims ready to order.


I'm not going to discuss your chronology but it's basically correct, not sure what Art told you and I'm not going to discuss any conversations that Art and I have had. The only other thing that's wrong in it is that I replaced your name on my own, after making sure that there were adequate safeguards in case you decided that you wanted to start mass deleting the forum (basically, I have a rule on THE Trolls, http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/, don't have a Moderator that's personally pissed off at me and that's what I felt I had.)

As for experiments on here? Yes, I tend to do things for the sake of improving both THE Trolls and this forum. Notice the little 2.0.6 on the bottom here? The purpose of that was to make sure that noone could hack into the forum and delete all the posts since the older version had a problem with it that left a security hole. And guess what, I tested the new version here first, why? Because there are less users here and if it turns catastrophic (i.e. screws everything up, it'll be a lot easier for me to fix.) Restoring this board from a backup takes about 2 minutes, it's close to an hour for THE Trolls (you can visit THE Trolls right now at http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/ but please don't tell them who sent you)

If you notice, on THE Trolls (again at http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/ for those who care), there are almost 800,000 posts. There are just over 5,000 posts on this board. I test where failure will do the least damage.

In addition, on THE Trolls, (http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/) I find that everything I do is scrutinized on the other board that seems to have a feud with it. I'd rather get things working first and then implement them.

In fact, I've always tested things here first, even before I started posting here. I'm just more upfront about it now because I do post here.

One basic question, as far as the operation of the board, has anyone actually seen this board have any downtime or missing posts due to me testing something (rhetorical, the correct answer is no.) A feature or two might temporarily not work correctly because of a messed up setting but guess what, that happens over there too. I'm human (can supply a picture, look at the couple that comes up on the intro of http://www.thetrolls.com/ and the first two people you see are my wife Steph and I.)

Don of the Dial wrote:
His constant use of the board to syphon away posters using constant links to his own forum is very questionable.


Art's posted there a few times, I know Cheryl has mentioned that she's visited a couple of times (I'm guessing that she's not into it). Guess what, I'm pretty sure that this board's traffic doesn't really get impacted by my posting constant links to http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/ and I'm pretty sure that the traffic isn't needed for that board either.

If you have a forum or website that you want to plug, feel free.

Don of the Dial wrote:
His use of this forum as a tool to defeat some other small forum in a "war" with his own, personal forum is absurd and distracting and just drags us into something no one cares anything about.


I care about it, that's enough for me. But my only participation in the feud is that I want to make sure that http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/ is secure. And guess what, that also makes this board secure too. I tend not to play with security issues, as you saw with me removing you as a moderator immediately after you deleted a post.

Don of the Dial wrote:
His wide-eyed 'who me?' and 'Don is this or that' posts are beyond the realm of even being marginally realistic.
'

Who me? I pretty much answer anytime you make a charge. I'm extremely upfront about what I do and when I do it. The Don is this and Don is that? I think everyone here knows that I think you're pathetic and whiny. Guess what, everyone here probably knows what you think of me too. I'm sure that most people here are very much beyond actually caring what either of us thinks about anything.

Don of the Dial wrote:
Ask yourself, is this forum better or worse since Mark began his constant posting? Was the forum happier and more entertaining before Mark turned it into a jousting field?


I'm not going to answer the first part or even render an opinion. But as for the second part, you and I jousting back and forth is probably extremely entertaining for some (though some are probably getting tired of it.)

Like I said, I was here to post about issues, the issues talked about here interested me. But I'm also a guy with one very basic guy quality, I don't mind arguing if someone else wants to argue. To paraphrase my mother, it takes two to joust. You stop jousting (I'm being nice in that characterization) and I'll stop jousting.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your posts are too long.

You evaded my questions.

BTW - if your wife hadn'td her pie hole yesterday, the posts would have stopped after your single emoticon post.

Keep your nose clean, pally. We're watching.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don of the Dial wrote:
Your posts are too long.

You evaded my questions.

BTW - if your wife hadn'td her pie hole yesterday, the posts would have stopped after your single emoticon post.

Keep your nose clean, pally. We're watching.


My wife gets toher piehole anytime she wants, I really don't tell her what to do (though I was pleasantly amused).

If you have a specific question that you want me to address, just post it. I will answer it. If your post appears to be a long diatribe, I won't know which thing you're dying for me to answer so you can rip on me for my answer.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get the password thing, you mean for every forum, because this is pretty much it, I dabble here and there, but don't have time or the enthusiasm for other forums..... Confused You don't mean like my accounts, Amazon, or LATimes(incredibly, yes! I joined the on-line Calender site, only because it was free, with my 7 day home subscription service) hmmmm, you don't know my password do you????? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson wrote:
Can't you test on some dummy template board...and not mess with people on here?


Anne,

I'm impessed!

"dummy template board"?!? Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Cheryl,

Stick with me, girlfriend...I have friends in high places Wink
They've taught me plenty.
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